"Adapt What is Useful, Reject What is Useless, and Add what is Specifically your Own."

Bruce Lee

Taky Kimura Interview: Seattle, 05/22/1976

Conducted for Jeet Kune Do: Art & Philosophy of Bruce Lee. Part 2


 Interviews conducted by Alan Sutton & George Foon

University of Washington

When he first went to Edison Vocation School, he took the required amount of courses to get himself enrolled at the University of Washington, in which he majored in Philosophy.

During that time he met Linda. There was, oh, probably a group, that were mostly asians, that hung around him. He was a very interesting, dominating figure. The minute he walked into a room, it was like somebody turned a light switch on and attention just sort of focused on him. Even though he didn't intend for it to be, that's how dynamic he was!

But before too long, though, we had some girls in our classes, and Linda came in our class and became one of our students. Between that and the relationship they had at school, they had some of the same classes, they became very close and I can't remember just exactly what year it was, they got married. I was very honored to be the best man!

Where Did Bruce Settle First From Hong Kong?

That is something that's really not definite in my mind. The understanding I'm getting is that he must have stopped in "San Francisco" first and then came up here. And possibly because Ruby Chow was up here. That was the firming up of things between his father and her.

How Long did Bruce Actually Live in Seattle?

It must have been--Let's see, I met him in about 1959, and he may have been a year before that, But basically, my acquaintence with him was from 1959 through about 1964 when he left Seattle. I've always said 10 years probably because he continued to come up here even when he was in California.

What did He Call his Art When you First Met Him?

Well, at first he didn't have any name, but once we started going, the school was named Jun Fan Gung Fu. Jun Fan was his Chinese name, so he just used that. As far as concept, he was endowed with the knowledge of a lot of systems. The main source he did was based on Wing Chun. He learned that in Hong Kong; Yip Man was his instructor there.

What Sort of Schedule did Bruce Keep While He was Going to School?

When we actually got the routine going, I mean with the school and such, it was mostly in the evenings that we worked out. We worked out from about, oh, I'd say 7:00 until 9:00 pm. It was generally like Monday, Wednesday and Friday. But, prior to that, before the commercial school. We were basically working out on weekends; you know, like Sundays.

Did He have any Goals at that Time?

That's one thing I learned about him. He always had something, some goal you might call it, that he was trying to reach. Basically, I don't think it really changed that much. At first, of course, he was thinking in terms of maybe starting a string of schools around the country. And then of course when he saw that there was such a greed for money his views changed. Also, he found that everybody was trying to steal somebody else's secrets. He got demoralized, anyway, and at that point he gave it up. About that time television (Green Hornet) kind of gave him a break and that just made it a good point for him to change direction.

What was the Martial Arts Community in Seattle like Before Bruce?

I think it was just kind of getting off the ground. There weren't too many places up here. As far as what was going on down in Chinatown, you know, The Gung Fu concept. I don't think anybody really heard of it. Karate they had heard of; and there was two or three guys in town that were teaching. One guy was teaching at the YMCA. And the other guy was teaching down at the Americn Health Studio down at First and Pike.

Those are the only ones I knew about. There may have been some other guys, but that was about the time that Karate was just sort of coming into focus in the whole country, basically on the West Coast. Due to Ed Parker with his International Karate Championships.

ED Parker's International Karate Championships

It was 1962 or 63, the first time we went down to one of Ed Parker's tournaments. And because, again, he was pretty close to me, he told Ed Parker, he wanted me to come down with him. He didn't need me, you know! But he always told Ed "Now, I want Taky to come down with me." So Ed would have to come up with another plane ticket to get me down there.

In the demonstration I'd hit the floor maybe 15 different ways and that would be it. About 1964 Blake Edwards and others, discovered Bruce at one of the demonstrations. I can recall that, you know his favorite line when he'd always get on the phone, he'd say "Guess what! -- and I didn't know what the hell he was talking about, but I new he was excited about something! That's when he told me he got the call from 20th Century Fox and they wanted to talk to him for the Green Hornet Series.

As I recall, I think he said that during the interview he told them that he wasn't interested in enhancing the image of the Chinaman in pigtails, so to speak, like they had all the time before. He wanted to dignify the character of the roles Orientals would be playing in movies or television. He made this point come across very strongly. Then of course, he was offered the role of Kato in the Green Hornet series.

What was it like demonstrating with Bruce Lee?

The first one I went to -- Geez I was just petrified. I think I told this at the funeral when I spoke. We were in the hotel room together and he was telling me, "Now, look, you have to make it look real." He wanted me to react in centerline movement action because that is what Chi Sao is. If you have some guy just off the streets doing everything with his elbows out then it is not a Chi Sao technique anymore.

He wanted to be sure and have my elbows in because when he is blindfolded then you know where that movement is coming from. But if we're doing Chi Sao and my arms are out there is no way he is going to stop me. But I had a habit of doing it with my elbows out and he would get madder than hell.

He got me so mad at myself one time, I just exploded and attacked him in the most animalistic way I knew. There was a little stool sitting behind him, as he moved back he tripped and nearly fell out the window. The first thing that occured to me was Oh, Oh. I've done it now! But he looked at me, and you know, he could give you the damnest looks with his eyes; it was just like he was burning right through you.

Then he started to laugh because he knew he got what he wanted out of me. When you put a demonstration on like that unless you work with someone over and over all the time, with me anyhow, if it's totally rehearsed, I'm not any good because I can't pick up the ques. But if it's just doing something because of principles or just doing your own thing, I think I could probably do better. But anyhow, he used to always get me to do this. Of course whenever I did it right he had no problem with me.

Like that one night at Ed Parker's Tournament. Ed Parker said, "Don't Worry, we'll let you know ahead of time" if there is time to perform. All of a sudden he hollars and calls Bruce's name, Come on down to the stage. Here I was sitting up in the stands with my dress clothes on. I had to rush right off the bleachers to the stage and Bruce nearly ripped the sweater off my arm. The demonstration went as planned and it was over before you knew it!

End of Part 2.
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